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Sep 25, 2008 14:44    Quote
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Pretty straight forward topic: a discussion of what Horror film(s) you consider to be overrated.

By "overrated" I mean films that have obtained some form of notariety (critical acclaim, cult status, mainstream success, or horror film staple).  Also, note that 'overrated film' does not necessarily translate to 'bad film'.  Instead 'overrated' means that the movies hype did not live up to your expectations.

I will get the ball rolling. I have a feeling that some of my choices may be considered blasphemous.

5 Overrated Horror Films according to Electric_Lettuce:

  1. The Exorcist - (1973) - When I was growing up people were always telling me this was THE Scariest movie.  By the time I watched it I was 14 ~1990. I was horribly let down and essentially bored.  Over the years, I have watched the movie a couple other times.  While I do accept that the movie is well executed, I still found the whole ordeal rather tedious.
  2. The Omen - (1976) - First time I watched this movie, I feel asleep.  Second time I tried to watch the movie, I fell asleep.  People say that the third times a charm? I disagree, the 3rd attempt is still sleepy-time.  Finally, last year this movie was playing on TV at 5pm, I figured this was my big chance to stay awake.  I did make it through the movie, and my final opinion was "While it's better than I initially thought, it's still pretty boring."  NOTE: I am not the type of person who falls asleep during a movie.  It's actually a rare phenomenon for me.  The only other movie which caused me to continuously fall asleep with each viewing was Lara Croft: Tomb Raider.
  3. The Shining - (1980) - Kubrick, Nicholson, and Steven King how could that go wrong?  Unlikeable characters and over the top performances are how.  Throw in long periods of nothing happening and you got yourself an overrated film. 
  4. The Others - (2001) - Meh.  I said meh! M-E-H.
  5. Aliens - (1986) - I admit, this is a good movie, but I don't understand the love affair most fans have for it.  I really couldn't stand Newt and her constant wails of "RIPLEY!".  There is no way that this movie surpasses the original Alien.  I even rate it beneath Aliens3 (probably because they kill Newt at the start of the film).

There's my list of 5.  Please feel free to comment on my list and make your own suggestions.

Attrage

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Sep 25, 2008 18:42    Quote
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Yes I'm gonna say it again: Hostel is my vote for most overrated horror flick

 

Interesting list, dude. As an aside, I wholeheartedly agree with you on Tomb Raider...woeful excuses for "films", those.

 

I disagree strongly with Aliens. To me thats one of the best movies of all time, let alone just a great horror flick. I do agree with you on the Shining though. I know its got a huge following (and Jack's quite good in it) but I could never get into it either. And I hugely agree with you on The Others. I yawned my way through that, and when the big reveal came towards the end, I was sighing like I aint never sighed before...lame!

Sep 27, 2008 13:23    Quote
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Ok, I can accept that these movies didn't live up to your expectations, particularly the older, religious ones. The culture has changed tremendously over the last thirty-five years, and the general neglect of and hostility to religious matters manifests itself in younger viewers as, well, cluelessness and apathy. Most can't imagine what anyone sees in these movies, nor how anyone could take them seriously (I don't take The Omen seriously, btw, but The Exorcist I take very seriously, indeed, except for that spinning head nonsense).

 

I'm somewhat in sympathy with you on Aliens. I find Newt obnoxious in the extreme and her and Ripley's relationship unconvincing. I also (as I never tire of repeating Cool) find the boss fight at the end pretty ridiculous. BUT the rest of the movie kicks major ass, and I think that's what people were referring to when they hyped the movie to you. I don't know anyone who watches it for those soft, tender moments between Bulldyke Ripley and The Brat.

 

The Shining: check. We're in perfect agreement.

 

The Others: non-check. uncheck. I liked The Others a lot. In fact, it's in my Top Five Supernatural Films list. It suffers, I think, from the impression that it was trying to cash in on the Sixth Sense mania of that period, but looked at objectively it really is a first-rate ghost story (and Nicole Kidman, who I don't normally think much of, gives a performance that has grown on me over time). Maybe the difference between us on this one is that I never really heard any hype about it. I just watched it and liked it.

 

My own list of overrated horror movies:

 

5. Night of the Living Dead

4. Psycho (yeah, you heard me)

3. Evil Dead/Evil Dead II

2. Shaun of the Dead

1. A Nightmare on Elm Street

 

(Pastor runs for cover...)

 

tways

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Sep 27, 2008 13:54    Quote
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Ok, I can accept that these movies didn't live up to your expectations, particularly the older, religious ones. The culture has changed tremendously over the last thirty-five years, and the general neglect of and hostility to religious matters manifests itself in younger viewers as, well, cluelessness and apathy. Most can't imagine what anyone sees in these movies, nor how anyone could take them seriously (I don't take The Omen seriously, btw, but The Exorcist I take very seriously, indeed, except for that spinning head nonsense).

I'm somewhat in sympathy with you on Aliens. I find Newt obnoxious in the extreme and her and Ripley's relationship unconvincing. I also (as I never tire of repeating Cool) find the boss fight at the end pretty ridiculous. BUT the rest of the movie kicks major ass, and I think that's what people were referring to when they hyped the movie to you. I don't know anyone who watches it for those soft, tender moments between Bulldyke Ripley and The Brat.

The Shining: check. We're in perfect agreement.

The Others: non-check. uncheck. I liked The Others a lot. In fact, it's in my Top Five Supernatural Films list. It suffers, I think, from the impression that it was trying to cash in on the Sixth Sense mania of that period, but looked at objectively it really is a first-rate ghost story (and Nicole Kidman, who I don't normally think much of, gives a performance that has grown on me over time). Maybe the difference between us on this one is that I never really heard any hype about it. I just watched it and liked it.

My own list of overrated horror movies:

5. Night of the Living Dead

4. Psycho (yeah, you heard me)

3. Evil Dead/Evil Dead II

2. Shaun of the Dead

1. A Nightmare on Elm Street

(Pastor runs for cover...)

I actually agree with Psycho...but the rest of that list....wow, brave soul!

I have one that may get me in trouble but I think "Silence of the Lambs" is over-rated.

Sep 27, 2008 14:01    Quote
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The most serious are the first two. I just can't see what anyone sees in those movies. I thought Shaun was unfunny, and Nightmare...well, I've just always thought it was incredibly stupid. I just can't suspend my disbelief enough to swallow the premise.

 

And yeah, I agree on Silence of the Lambs. Good movie, but overrated (except for the scenes inside Gumm's house; those make the whole movie).

space_ace1971

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Sep 27, 2008 23:07    Quote
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Overrated horror movies. In general, I agree with Lettuce on The Shining. Stephen King novels are one thing the movies usually don't hold up..at all. I like Pastor's list. All vastly overrated. I am confused on some of the other choices. For example:

 

The Excorcist ( 1973 ) nuff said. Imagine seeing that movie for the first time 25 yrs ago. Way, way ahead of it's time.

Aliens            ( 1986 ) A great sequel. One of the best sequels ever.

 

 

A movie that I liked that is considered horror, and isn't, is also billed as "scary", and isn't would be "The Orphanage".

So I would have to consider it as overrated. Not in my top 5. That would be:

 

1. An American Werewolf In London. To me it is the definition of awful.

2. Night Of The Living Dead. I like it. It's overrated.

3. Phantasm

4. Open Water. Blair Witch in the Ocean. Dreadful.

5. Jaws. Sorry. not scared of something in the ocean that i don't  need to go in to. It's not even a freakin horror movie.

tways

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Sep 28, 2008 11:58    Quote
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I just watched "30 Days of Night" on watch-movies.net and i have to say, thank God I didn't pay for this shit!!  I mean, from what I've read on here I thought it's gotta be good but damn, I just sat in front of this screen listening on these uncomfortable ear buds and now I just want my 112 minutes back so I can make better use of them.  Dusting the ceiling fan or painting the tires on my car to give them that showroom black or anything.  I won't say this is the worst movie I've ever seen but I expected so much more.

The vampire's in this movie were either very dumb or very lazy.  These people just holed up in an attack for most of those 30 days  and the vampires still couldn't figure how to find them...and they knew they were there somewhere.  In a small Alaskan town with a population of less than 1000, how many houses or buildings can there be where they couldn't search every nook in the town?  It's not like daylight was a problem...they had 24/7 to look for these people.  And Josh Hartnett (sp?) is not a good actor...noone in this movie was.

What am I missing here?  I kept watching expecting, I don't know, something.  If I were to do a worst movies of the year list, this one is a contenda!

Sep 28, 2008 12:15    Quote
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I just watched "30 Days of Night" on watch-movies.net and i have to say, thank God I didn't pay for this shit!!  I mean, from what I've read on here I thought it's gotta be good but damn, I just sat in front of this screen listening on these uncomfortable ear buds and now I just want my 112 minutes back so I can make better use of them.

Um, hello. Ear buds?

 

Small screen w/ear buds, maybe watched in daylight, guarding against hype = no movie can stand up to that.

 

I don't think 30 Days is the best movie ever made, but seen under the right conditions and in the right frame of mind it's pretty tense. Sure, you can ask why the vampires didn't just go get an infrared heat scanner and locate the humans that way, but it's not like they were starving to death or something. They had food. Also, my impression was that in becoming vampires (as vampires are portrayed in that movie), they became more like animals and lost some of their human qualities. I mean, for that matter they could have jumped in the bulldozer and leveled the town building by building if they wanted to (or used a car to chase people down), but they didn't seem that interested in a) technology or b) mapping out a brilliant battle plan in some war room somewhere.

space_ace1971

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Sep 28, 2008 18:57    Quote
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I just watched "30 Days of Night" on watch-movies.net and i have to say, thank God I didn't pay for this shit!!  I mean, from what I've read on here I thought it's gotta be good but damn, I just sat in front of this screen listening on these uncomfortable ear buds and now I just want my 112 minutes back so I can make better use of them.  Dusting the ceiling fan or painting the tires on my car to give them that showroom black or anything.  I won't say this is the worst movie I've ever seen but I expected so much more.

The vampire's in this movie were either very dumb or very lazy.  These people just holed up in an attack for most of those 30 days  and the vampires still couldn't figure how to find them...and they knew they were there somewhere.  In a small Alaskan town with a population of less than 1000, how many houses or buildings can there be where they couldn't search every nook in the town?  It's not like daylight was a problem...they had 24/7 to look for these people.  And Josh Hartnett (sp?) is not a good actor...noone in this movie was.

What am I missing here?  I kept watching expecting, I don't know, something.  If I were to do a worst movies of the year list, this one is a contenda!

 

Josh Hartnett is a retard. People in Alaska are suppose to be tough. One of the Vampires was cross eyed. Hell, it took like 5 people to beat a 3yr old vampire! I agree 100%. 30 Days of Night is lame on any size screen. I wouldn't consider it overrated because most people I know think it sucks too.

Sep 29, 2008 05:18    Quote
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I just watched "30 Days of Night" on watch-movies.net and i have to say, thank God I didn't pay for this shit!!  I mean, from what I've read on here I thought it's gotta be good but damn, I just sat in front of this screen listening on these uncomfortable ear buds and now I just want my 112 minutes back so I can make better use of them.  Dusting the ceiling fan or painting the tires on my car to give them that showroom black or anything.  I won't say this is the worst movie I've ever seen but I expected so much more.

The vampire's in this movie were either very dumb or very lazy.  These people just holed up in an attack for most of those 30 days  and the vampires still couldn't figure how to find them...and they knew they were there somewhere.  In a small Alaskan town with a population of less than 1000, how many houses or buildings can there be where they couldn't search every nook in the town?  It's not like daylight was a problem...they had 24/7 to look for these people.  And Josh Hartnett (sp?) is not a good actor...noone in this movie was.

What am I missing here?  I kept watching expecting, I don't know, something.  If I were to do a worst movies of the year list, this one is a contenda!

 

Josh Hartnett is a retard. People in Alaska are suppose to be tough. One of the Vampires was cross eyed. Hell, it took like 5 people to beat a 3yr old vampire! I agree 100%. 30 Days of Night is lame on any size screen. I wouldn't consider it overrated because most people I know think it sucks too.

 Oh how funny I don't like Josh Hartnett either. The movie made Vampires look like mindless killing machines. I didn't like it for that reason

bloodlust

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Sep 29, 2008 08:21    Quote
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overrated:  The Devil's Rejects

I did enjoy House of 1000 Corpses, watched TDR, tried to like it but it didn't happen.  Rob Zombie's use (overuse) of every cliche in the book was too much and quite frankly this movie bored me.  I couldn't even get through 30 minutes of his Halloween remake.  I'm sure I would find that overrated as well.

Underrated:  Session 9

Excellent psychological thriller and pretty creepy

Sep 29, 2008 11:11    Quote
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Josh Hartnett is a retard. People in Alaska are suppose to be tough. One of the Vampires was cross eyed. Hell, it took like 5 people to beat a 3yr old vampire! I agree 100%. 30 Days of Night is lame on any size screen. I wouldn't consider it overrated because most people I know think it sucks too.

Don't mean to be a 30 Days fanboy here, but I guess you missed the point. These are not polite, refined Bela Lugosi vampires. These are animals. They're dangerous and vicious, even the little ones, just like baby rattlesnakes. There was some inconsistency in the movie concerning their speed, but at the beginning they were also lightning fast and Superman strong. They could snatch you and drag you away before the guy next to you could even turn around. What exactly is it you wanted Hartnett to do, stand there and prove how tough Alaskans are by pointlessly firing his handgun into them while they ate him for dinner?

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The whole crux of the movie was that the townspeople had no effective defense against this particular style of vampire. Moreover, Hartnett thought of his job as protecting the citizens and keeping them alive, rather than abandoning them so he could run around in a loin cloth like fucking Rambo to please the ADD crowd. Now that would have been ridiculous. Smile

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P.S. bloodlust, I agree with you on all counts.

The_Horror_Czar

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Sep 29, 2008 11:41    Quote
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Josh Hartnett is a retard. People in Alaska are suppose to be tough. One of the Vampires was cross eyed. Hell, it took like 5 people to beat a 3yr old vampire! I agree 100%. 30 Days of Night is lame on any size screen. I wouldn't consider it overrated because most people I know think it sucks too.

I don't think it sucks - I like 30 Days of Night and consider it to be one of the better vampire flicks to come out in a while. A new take on the legend and the vampires that everyone is used to which took balls and shows originality - destined to earn the scorn of "vampire traditionalists" but that's the point.

Peltablo

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Sep 29, 2008 17:23    Quote
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I liked 30 Days of Night, but I thought that whole bit about how they were supposed to be able to survive as long as they did in a relatively uninsulated attic with minimal food and no supplemental heating in -40 degree weather stretched the whole suspension of disbelief thing just a bit.  People in Alaska are supposed to be tough, but there are a couple of laws of physics being violated here.

 

The Shining is one of my all-time favorite movies, but I have to admit it had some pretty severe flaws.  Shelly Duvall's portrayal of Wendy as being so weak, pathetic, and simpering was just sad.  Also, you have a hotel as large as The Overlook in an area in Colorado that gets that much snow, and it's NOT a ski resort.  Give me a break.

 

I found The Exorcist entertaining and there were parts which they did an unsurpassed job in creating an unnatural, menacing atmosphere, but very little of the movie was in any way scary, and I can certainly go along with folks who think it's over-rated.  Oooh--a little girl was mouthy towards authority figures and did questionable things with a crucifix--if it weren't for the voice, she'd probably pass for the typical kid these days.

 

I think the orginal Dracula movie (with Bela Lugosi) is overated.  Don't get me wrong--it was a good movie for the time and certainly has its place in pop culture, but it just isn't all that.  I don't even know why it's considered to be a horror movie these days.  I wonder if Bela Lugosi would have even had a place in community theater in this day and age.

tways

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Sep 29, 2008 19:24    Quote
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I think Shelley Duvall did a very good job with her  character.  Unfortuately, I've a good friend who for years was living under the oppresion of a husband who dominated her life...not to get to deep here, some women get like this after years of mental abuse which I think was very clear in the Shining that was the case with the Torrences.

With the Exorcist...try to remember the year it came out and what happened to audiences who saw it...the pure impact it had on people at that time.

Pumpboy

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Sep 30, 2008 00:58    Quote
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Whoah!  Dudes!--best Keanu impersonation or is it Spiccoli in my case?

 

The Exorcist is one of the best horror films ever made--it's impossible to over rate it.  In the early seventies, little girls did not spew green pea soup, turn their heads around, fuck crucifixes, tell priests that their mothers sucked cock in hell, or pee in the floor--not on film , anyway.  It horrified folks--very effective --and the ability to scare the hell out of audiences nationwide and be argued about over 35 years later--what does that say? The Church doesn't mention it anymore, but they sure railed against it then. It made exorcism a household word--nobody talked about exorcisms before this movie-- I'd never even heard the word until the book came out. 

 

Which brings me to the Omen, one of the few satanic-themed movies that should even be mentioned in the same post as the Exorcist.  Very well-made, superb acting, an unseen tension that built throughout the whole movie and some great film making skills shown-- the scenes from the monkeys  to mom's look of disbelief as she fell. That whole sequence in the graveyard when they find the jackel's corpse and gett attacked by the dogs--beautifully filmed.  Great atmosphere and a very scary scene.  Great movie.  Great original deaths from the priest and the photographer.  Satanic dogs and nannies.  Underated if anything.

 

The Shining is the best haunted house movie ever filmed--another movie that is impossible to overate.  Kubrick did an excellent job--pay attention to the camera work and the carefully manipulated colors-- This movie is a work of art before you even get into the characters and the plot.  The lack of characters in that big place created such a great reverse claustrophobia even without the real claustrophobia brought by the snow.  The imagery has been mentioned throughout this site--the girls, the old woman, the furry.  "REDRUM"  "Here's Johnny"  "I'm not gonna hurt ya ..."--what a great scene it was when she finally saw what he was writing--remember the first time you saw it.  That was a definite "Oh shit" moment.  Shelly was great portraying an isolated, emotionally abused woman--who sometimes found just enough guts to do what she needed to.  Even the leaving out of the hedge beasts was probably a good thing.  The special effects of the time would have probably just made some cheesy stop-motion things that would have ruined the feel of the movie.  But the whole hedge maze scene was great as well-- no escaping the claustrophobia even outdoors.  I could go on and on about this movie--do I need to?

 

Aliens-- I and others have spoken very highly about this film all over this site.  I understand completely both camps in the Alien Vs Aliens arguement and I love both movies.  Aliens is easily one of the best sequels ever.  We had seen and loved the first one when it came out and then we saw the trailers for Aliens--space marines vs a bunch of those bastards-- we were in heaven anticipating that film and it didn't dissapoint--what a great romp it was.  I even loved Newt--"They come out at night--mostly"  and although Sigourney was tough in Alien, she expanded into total bad-ass mode in Aliens.  I'll even give you that the whole robot/forklift battle at the end was somewhat contrived-- I bet it was kick-ass fun to film and the rest of the movie easily makes up for it.  That battle in the dark was awesome.  The tension as they listened to the last of their auto-guns stop firing.  The complete worminess of Reiser and the hilarity of Paxton--great great movie.

 

Night of The Living Dead is very very close to being the best horror movie ever made.  A work of genius even if Romero didn't realize it at the time.  From the use of the news broadcasts to give it a "this could really happen" War of the Worlds feel.  The seemingly un-ending parade of ghouls  (weren't called zombies til later)--the tensions between the characters trapped in the house-- the zombie feast after the burning of the truck, I know is tame now, but it was the first time I ever saw intestines or flesh eating on the screen.  Little girls didn't murder their mothers with garden tools either, not did they eat them.  One of the most groundbreaking films of all time.  Impossible to over rate what this movie did for the genre.

 

I know I'm going on and on but y'all started it.--Psycho?  Until NOTLD, possibly the scariest movie made.  No one worried about getting stabbed in the shower until this movie-- it influenced the collective thoughts and fears of an entire generation--a masterpiece--impossible to overate and brings me to

 

Jaws--one of the best MOVIES of all time.  A primer on how to do everything right when making a movie and no one ever worried about getting eaten by sharks at a beach before this movie and since then, most folks have while at the beach.  Hell--some folks still don't go swimming because of that movie.  Shouldn't be mentioned in the same thread as overrated.

 

I would also like to defend Shaun of the Dead, 30 days of night-- I think they are both great examples of modern day horror and dark comedy.  I also defended American Werewolf in London in the Werewolves thread earlier tonight.

 

I guess Tequila, The Rolling Stones, the '66 Packers, a pre-emission controls 442 Oldsmobile, fried chicken, and pussy are over rated too.

 

 

Sep 30, 2008 10:34    Quote
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I know I'm going on and on but y'all started it.--Psycho?  Until NOTLD, possibly the scariest movie made.  No one worried about getting stabbed in the shower until this movie-- it influenced the collective thoughts and fears of an entire generation--a masterpiece--impossible to overate and brings me to

I think Psycho is a great movie, but I just feel like the amount of attention lavished on it due to the name of its director is a bit much. Everytime anything about horror movies is mentioned somewhere, Psycho has to be trotted out and ritually paraded around like some sort of totem or fetish. Yeah, yeah, guys. We get it. Psycho was groundbreaking, it was scary, it was slashery. But how many times do we have to watch that shower scene over and over as if it were the best scene ever filmed? It wasn't. Great scene, but let's get some perspective, you know?

Peltablo

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Sep 30, 2008 16:15    Quote
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Everything is overated if you dig deep enough.  ;-)

 

I'm sticking to my guns on Duvall's performance; although, I will concede that I might be biased in that I find people with her mannerisms disproportionately irritating (there were points in the movie in which I wanted to kill her myself and that was when I was a child).  I thought the actress who portrayed Wendy in The Shining miniseries did a much better job with the character, but that was the only thing about the miniseries that was better than the movie even though the miniseries was a closer adaptation to the novel.

crypticpsych

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Sep 30, 2008 16:19    Quote
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I know I'm going on and on but y'all started it.--Psycho?  Until NOTLD, possibly the scariest movie made.  No one worried about getting stabbed in the shower until this movie-- it influenced the collective thoughts and fears of an entire generation--a masterpiece--impossible to overate and brings me to

I think Psycho is a great movie, but I just feel like the amount of attention lavished on it due to the name of its director is a bit much. Everytime anything about horror movies is mentioned somewhere, Psycho has to be trotted out and ritually paraded around like some sort of totem or fetish. Yeah, yeah, guys. We get it. Psycho was groundbreaking, it was scary, it was slashery. But how many times do we have to watch that shower scene over and over as if it were the best scene ever filmed? It wasn't. Great scene, but let's get some perspective, you know?

Didn't I already make a two post long diatribe in my blog as part of the serializing of my thesis?  Yeah I think I did.  I think everything I said in that paper is all I need to say on the subject.  It's a great movie, but lets not delude ourselves into claiming its the groundbreaking be-all end-all of horror.

Pumpboy

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Sep 30, 2008 16:33    Quote
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I still say it was the best horror movie made before NOTLD--great story by Bloch turned into a great movie by Hitchcock-- "kill her Norman" is a joke now-- it wasn't in it's time-- it scared folks something fierce.

 

Horror movies have to be judged by their effect in their era.  The job of a horror flick is to scare the folks at the theater.  Psycho  did it's job tenfold and inspired much of what we've seen since.  I don't think my beloved Halloween would even exist without Psycho being filmed.  Hitchcock wasn't trying to scare folks as jaded as we've become--he was trying to scare his audience and he performed faultlessly and delivered the goods.

Pumpboy

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Sep 30, 2008 16:36    Quote
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Didn't I already make a two post long diatribe in my blog as part of the serializing of my thesis?  Yeah I think I did.  I think everything I said in that paper is all I need to say on the subject.  It's a great movie, but lets not delude ourselves into claiming its the groundbreaking be-all end-all of horror.

 --the be-all groundbreaking one would be NOTLD barely edging out Halloween.

crypticpsych

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Sep 30, 2008 17:38    Quote
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Didn't I already make a two post long diatribe in my blog as part of the serializing of my thesis?  Yeah I think I did.  I think everything I said in that paper is all I need to say on the subject.  It's a great movie, but lets not delude ourselves into claiming its the groundbreaking be-all end-all of horror.

--the be-all groundbreaking one would be NOTLD barely edging out Halloween.

I agree more with that sentiment even though I disagree with the general idea of there being a be-all.

Pumpboy

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Sep 30, 2008 18:13    Quote
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Didn't I already make a two post long diatribe in my blog as part of the serializing of my thesis?  Yeah I think I did.  I think everything I said in that paper is all I need to say on the subject.  It's a great movie, but lets not delude ourselves into claiming its the groundbreaking be-all end-all of horror.

--the be-all groundbreaking one would be NOTLD barely edging out Halloween.

I agree more with that sentiment even though I disagree with the general idea of there being a be-all, end-all.

 

not to be all nick-pickety because I prefer twitchy things over picky things, but I left out "end-all" on purpose.

Attrage

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Sep 30, 2008 19:03    Quote
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Whoah!  Dudes!--best Keanu impersonation or is it Spiccoli in my case?

 

The Exorcist is one of the best horror films ever made--it's impossible to over rate it.  In the early seventies, little girls did not spew green pea soup, turn their heads around, fuck crucifixes, tell priests that their mothers sucked cock in hell, or pee in the floor--not on film , anyway.  It horrified folks--very effective --and the ability to scare the hell out of audiences nationwide and be argued about over 35 years later--what does that say? The Church doesn't mention it anymore, but they sure railed against it then. It made exorcism a household word--nobody talked about exorcisms before this movie-- I'd never even heard the word until the book came out. 

 

Which brings me to the Omen, one of the few satanic-themed movies that should even be mentioned in the same post as the Exorcist.  Very well-made, superb acting, an unseen tension that built throughout the whole movie and some great film making skills shown-- the scenes from the monkeys  to mom's look of disbelief as she fell. That whole sequence in the graveyard when they find the jackel's corpse and gett attacked by the dogs--beautifully filmed.  Great atmosphere and a very scary scene.  Great movie.  Great original deaths from the priest and the photographer.  Satanic dogs and nannies.  Underated if anything.

 

The Shining is the best haunted house movie ever filmed--another movie that is impossible to overate.  Kubrick did an excellent job--pay attention to the camera work and the carefully manipulated colors-- This movie is a work of art before you even get into the characters and the plot.  The lack of characters in that big place created such a great reverse claustrophobia even without the real claustrophobia brought by the snow.  The imagery has been mentioned throughout this site--the girls, the old woman, the furry.  "REDRUM"  "Here's Johnny"  "I'm not gonna hurt ya ..."--what a great scene it was when she finally saw what he was writing--remember the first time you saw it.  That was a definite "Oh shit" moment.  Shelly was great portraying an isolated, emotionally abused woman--who sometimes found just enough guts to do what she needed to.  Even the leaving out of the hedge beasts was probably a good thing.  The special effects of the time would have probably just made some cheesy stop-motion things that would have ruined the feel of the movie.  But the whole hedge maze scene was great as well-- no escaping the claustrophobia even outdoors.  I could go on and on about this movie--do I need to?

 

Aliens-- I and others have spoken very highly about this film all over this site.  I understand completely both camps in the Alien Vs Aliens arguement and I love both movies.  Aliens is easily one of the best sequels ever.  We had seen and loved the first one when it came out and then we saw the trailers for Aliens--space marines vs a bunch of those bastards-- we were in heaven anticipating that film and it didn't dissapoint--what a great romp it was.  I even loved Newt--"They come out at night--mostly"  and although Sigourney was tough in Alien, she expanded into total bad-ass mode in Aliens.  I'll even give you that the whole robot/forklift battle at the end was somewhat contrived-- I bet it was kick-ass fun to film and the rest of the movie easily makes up for it.  That battle in the dark was awesome.  The tension as they listened to the last of their auto-guns stop firing.  The complete worminess of Reiser and the hilarity of Paxton--great great movie.

 

Night of The Living Dead is very very close to being the best horror movie ever made.  A work of genius even if Romero didn't realize it at the time.  From the use of the news broadcasts to give it a "this could really happen" War of the Worlds feel.  The seemingly un-ending parade of ghouls  (weren't called zombies til later)--the tensions between the characters trapped in the house-- the zombie feast after the burning of the truck, I know is tame now, but it was the first time I ever saw intestines or flesh eating on the screen.  Little girls didn't murder their mothers with garden tools either, not did they eat them.  One of the most groundbreaking films of all time.  Impossible to over rate what this movie did for the genre.

 

I know I'm going on and on but y'all started it.--Psycho?  Until NOTLD, possibly the scariest movie made.  No one worried about getting stabbed in the shower until this movie-- it influenced the collective thoughts and fears of an entire generation--a masterpiece--impossible to overate and brings me to

 

Jaws--one of the best MOVIES of all time.  A primer on how to do everything right when making a movie and no one ever worried about getting eaten by sharks at a beach before this movie and since then, most folks have while at the beach.  Hell--some folks still don't go swimming because of that movie.  Shouldn't be mentioned in the same thread as overrated.

 

I would also like to defend Shaun of the Dead, 30 days of night-- I think they are both great examples of modern day horror and dark comedy.  I also defended American Werewolf in London in the Werewolves thread earlier tonight.

 

I guess Tequila, The Rolling Stones, the '66 Packers, a pre-emission controls 442 Oldsmobile, fried chicken, and pussy are over rated too.

 

 

 

I bow down to you, Pump. Well said. Great post!

Dr_Menard_77

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Josh Hartnett is a retard. People in Alaska are suppose to be tough. One of the Vampires was cross eyed. Hell, it took like 5 people to beat a 3yr old vampire! I agree 100%. 30 Days of Night is lame on any size screen. I wouldn't consider it overrated because most people I know think it sucks too.

Don't mean to be a 30 Days fanboy here, but I guess you missed the point. These are not polite, refined Bela Lugosi vampires. These are animals. They're dangerous and vicious, even the little ones, just like baby rattlesnakes. There was some inconsistency in the movie concerning their speed, but at the beginning they were also lightning fast and Superman strong. They could snatch you and drag you away before the guy next to you could even turn around. What exactly is it you wanted Hartnett to do, stand there and prove how tough Alaskans are by pointlessly firing his handgun into them while they ate him for dinner?

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The whole crux of the movie was that the townspeople had no effective defense against this particular style of vampire. Moreover, Hartnett thought of his job as protecting the citizens and keeping them alive, rather than abandoning them so he could run around in a loin cloth like fucking Rambo to please the ADD crowd. Now that would have been ridiculous. Smile

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P.S. bloodlust, I agree with you on all counts.

 

I'll say this loud and proud: 30 DAYS OF NIGHT SUCKED BALLS!!! No offense but how can anyone who calls themselves a horror fan say the Evil Dead 1 and 2 and NOTLD are over rated then turn around and stick up for 30 days of night a film that sucked balls both on it's own merits and as an adaption of a comic book. I know these are your opinions but I'm just dumb founded. Evil Dead 1 and 2?!? NOTLD?!? You have balls the size of grapefruits my friend.

crypticpsych

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Didn't I already make a two post long diatribe in my blog as part of the serializing of my thesis?  Yeah I think I did.  I think everything I said in that paper is all I need to say on the subject.  It's a great movie, but lets not delude ourselves into claiming its the groundbreaking be-all end-all of horror.

--the be-all groundbreaking one would be NOTLD barely edging out Halloween.

I agree more with that sentiment even though I disagree with the general idea of there being a be-all, end-all.

not to be all nick-pickety because I prefer twitchy things over picky things, but I left out "end-all" on purpose.

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space_ace1971

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Josh Hartnett is a retard. People in Alaska are suppose to be tough. One of the Vampires was cross eyed. Hell, it took like 5 people to beat a 3yr old vampire! I agree 100%. 30 Days of Night is lame on any size screen. I wouldn't consider it overrated because most people I know think it sucks too.

Don't mean to be a 30 Days fanboy here, but I guess you missed the point. These are not polite, refined Bela Lugosi vampires. These are animals. They're dangerous and vicious, even the little ones, just like baby rattlesnakes. There was some inconsistency in the movie concerning their speed, but at the beginning they were also lightning fast and Superman strong. They could snatch you and drag you away before the guy next to you could even turn around. What exactly is it you wanted Hartnett to do, stand there and prove how tough Alaskans are by pointlessly firing his handgun into them while they ate him for dinner?

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The whole crux of the movie was that the townspeople had no effective defense against this particular style of vampire. Moreover, Hartnett thought of his job as protecting the citizens and keeping them alive, rather than abandoning them so he could run around in a loin cloth like fucking Rambo to please the ADD crowd. Now that would have been ridiculous. Smile

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P.S. bloodlust, I agree with you on all counts.

 

I'll say this loud and proud: 30 DAYS OF NIGHT SUCKED BALLS!!! No offense but how can anyone who calls themselves a horror fan say the Evil Dead 1 and 2 and NOTLD are over rated then turn around and stick up for 30 days of night a film that sucked balls both on it's own merits and as an adaption of a comic book. I know these are your opinions but I'm just dumb founded. Evil Dead 1 and 2?!? NOTLD?!? You have balls the size of grapefruits my friend.

 

Again, the vampires couldn't find/sense/smell the remaining townspeople that were left. They had to lure them out. So let's get this straight for all the defenders of this movie.... They had enough cunning to use humans as bait but not enough sense to check a freaking attic in ( reaching for calculator ) 720 hours!?!?!? I realize that the snaggle toothed guy

burned their satellite phones and killed their 4 or 5 sled dogs but he didn't go door to door and gather up all the axes, chainsaws, knives, pistols, rifles and shotguns. I know it's tough to imagine a shotgun as a effective weapon if you've already struggled through watching The Strangers but I can assure you IT WILL REMOVE THE HEAD of any Vampire, in any movie, anywhere. The vampire, now without teeth, is as useless as Scott Speedman was in The Strangers.

 

Then the ending! Aw God, if a punch through the face of a bloodsucker kills it wouldn't that retarded deputy have been better suited to put 2 bullets in the head of a vampire than his own freak'n kids?!?!?!?!? Then the whole "Im a Vampire now, but I don't want to suck your blood cause Im good and I don't want to chase mean Vampires cuz I'd rather see what happens when the sun comes up" crap was the kernel on top of a big ole smelly pile -a-poo! I consider this the worst Vampire  movie "with a budget" ever made. Just wait til "30 More Days Of Night: 28 Months Later" is released. See Killer vs. Killer topic. In this movie a group of Vampires invades a small Alaskan town on the eve of the Rage virus outbreak! Can you say.. "rude awakening"?

tways

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Sep 30, 2008 23:05    Quote
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Speaking of the vampires in 30 Days of Night using people as bait...how did they communicate to the woman that she was bait?  She obviously knew cuz she was saying "I tried" or whatever.  They were speaking Klingong.

Whether I watched it on this computer with ear buds or watched it in a theater or on a 150 inch  Ultra Supersonic Plasma Bestest TV of all time...same result.

Peltablo

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Oct 01, 2008 00:32    Quote
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Again, the vampires couldn't find/sense/smell the remaining townspeople that were left. They had to lure them out. So let's get this straight for all the defenders of this movie.... They had enough cunning to use humans as bait but not enough sense to check a freaking attic in ( reaching for calculator ) 720 hours!?!?!? 

 

 "Im a Vampire now, but I don't want to suck your blood cause Im good and I don't want to chase mean Vampires cuz I'd rather see what happens when the sun comes up" crap was the kernel on top of a big ole smelly pile -a-poo!

 

My take on it was that a lot of what the vampires were doing with the townspeople was for shits and giggles.  The premise, I guess, is that they didn't really feel the need to kill everybody in town themselves, they wanted to gorge on all the food they could, have their fun, and then burn down the entire town before they left to insure there were no survivors hiding in the attics (if you already have a tried and true plan for dealing with a problem, why overexert yourself?).  Seems fairly reasonable...and it was funny as Hell.  Also, I thought it was a rather unique take on the whole vampire mythos (maybe not the best take, but certainly an interesting one) and was certainly better than any of the other derivative crap that passed for horror movies that year. It wasn't that 30 Days of Night was so friggin' great--it wasn't.  I'm not even arguing that it wasn't over-rated--it totally was, but, in my opinion...for what it's worth...so mote it be...with full acknowledgment that I'm not the almighty, all-knowing Oracle of Horror or anything, I didn't think it was total garbage, and it was the closest thing we've had to a half-original, vaguely entertaining vampire flick in a long damn time.

 

Should the townspeople have put up more of a fight?  Granted.  It was a big glaring plot hole.  I haven't seen a movie yet that didn't have them--Hell, all my favorite movies did.  I pointed out another one in this forum earlier.  The thing about entertaining movies is that they have something for everybody, particularly those who like to nitpick.  ;-)

 

Besides, in this late, decadent hour with movies becoming increasingly crummy, you gotta learn to see the forest for the trees. 

 

As for the goofy, noble yet nauseatingly sentimental suicide scene at the end, well, I don't know about you, but if I had been infected with something incurable that gave me a growing, uncontrollable hunger/lust to mercilessly kill everybody around me (including loved ones), I'd take the "really severe sunburn" option (as quickly as I could so I couldn't rationalize my way out of it) as well, but I guess I'm just funny that way.  

 

You honestly think 30 Days of Night was worse than From Dusk Till Dawn II, John Carpenter's Vampires, or that poor, pitiful excuse of a sequel to Vampires.  I'm sorry you were subjected to it, then.

 

Oct 01, 2008 15:04    Quote
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I am glad to see that this topic is getting some lively discussions.  It’s also interesting to see people’s rebuttals and their personal overrated horror film picks.

 

I see that there are numerous arguments against some of my selections; the Exorcist and Aliens in particular.  I expected as much and appreciate your comments.  Remember, overrated movie doesn’t equate to bad movie.  As I originally stated the Exorcist is well executed and Aliens is a good movie.  I just don’t find they live up to the hype.

 

I suppose I should provide a more thorough rebuttal.  Please note that there are spoilers contained in my composition.  If you haven’t seen Exorcist, The Bad Seed, Night of the Living Dead, or Psycho then you may not want to read this post.

 

Regarding the Exorcist (directed towards Pastor’s comments),

 

You are correct to identify my top 2 picks as religion centric choices.  If you look even closer you will notice that all 5 of films revolve around children (I admit that Aliens doesn’t revolve around a child as much as portraying an annoying one).  I myself was not aware of this child relation when I compiled the list.  I guess I learned something new about myself, thanks Pastor. 

 

You are also correct in assuming that I am not a religious individual.  That’s right I am an old fashioned atheist.  However, I have always been interested in the mythos of religions and consider myself well versed in the topic.  While I agree this may have some bearing on my opinions, there are religious horror films I do enjoy (to name a few: Rosemary’s Baby, The Wicker Man, Night of the Hunter, and even Exorcist III). 

 

To be honest I don’t believe in vampires, werewolves, ghosts, zombies, creatures from the Black Lagoon, or people that have received multiple machete blows to their head and continue to thrive.  But I do enjoy many films that contain the aforementioned subjects.

 

I also find it interesting that you attribute a lack of appreciation in the Exorcist to younger viewers that are clueless and apathetic.  I would like to point out that logically speaking this sentiment is an ad hominem fallacy.  Perhaps, if I was born a decade sooner I would have a better appreciation for the film.  What year is the cutoff before you are able to truly appreciate the film? Regardless, I do agree that the film did break some barriers with respect to mainstream audiences and the socially acceptable norms. 

 

As for the evil little girl performing such atrocious acts, I think people are forgetting some film history.  Reagan was possessed i.e.: not in willful control of her actions.  In the end it was the evil demon that was responsible.  Contrast this with the 1956 film The Bad Seed (an exceptional film).  The movie was released nearly 2 decades earlier and dealt with a legitimately evil and homicidal little girl.  Not only was this movie ground breaking, but it also had to conform with the strict censorship laws outlined in the Hays Code.

 

Now for some comments regarding overrated movies selected by other members.

 

Night of the Living Dead:

How can people claim I am overlooking the Exorcist’s ground breaking performance and taboo subject matter then list NOTLD as an overrated film?  This movie had it all.  An African-American protagonist that was willing to cross the line of good and bad.  Zombies cannibalizing the living (from my knowledge this was the first movie to portray zombies in this manner).  Strangers trapped in a secluded farm house and portrayed in a realistic manner.  Then finish it off with an unhappy ending.

 

Who can forget the matricidal zombie child?  I found her way more disturbing than Reagan. Yes, I am aware that the girl was not in control of her actions.  Still it was a chilling scene. 

 

Yes, NOTLD is an amazing film made effectively on a shoe-string budget.

 

Psycho:

This falls in the same category as NOTLD, ground breaking.  I agree that the Robert Bloch screenplay was great (HP Lovecraft mentored him). And Alfred Hitchcock’s direction and suspense techniques were second to no one (they called him the “Master of Suspense” with good reason).  Then there were the new movie devices that the film introduced.  Killing the main character (Janet Leigh) halfway through the movie was both gutsy and genius.  Dealing with a character that suffered from multiple personality disorder was also ground breaking.  Remember that at the time MPD was not yet a standard movie gimmick.  The shower scene is still one of the ultimate cinematic masterpieces and extremely brutal.

 

There is only one problem with Psycho; it has been spoiled to death. Everyone already knows the major scenes and plot twists of the movie, at least I did.  Unless you had the luxury of living in a cave for the last 40 years, you more than likely know what’s going to happen in this movie.  This movie would have been amazing to see when it was first released and no one knew what the outcome would be.  That being said the movie still holds up in my opinion.  I was lucky enough not to know about the scene where Mrs. Bates meets a P.I. on the staircase.

 

I am sorry for the long rant.  I look forward to reading your replies, rebuttals, and lists of overrated movies.

 

Rock On!

tways

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Oct 01, 2008 15:27    Quote
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If anyone hasn't seen Exorcist or Night of the living dead, turn in your membership card and dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

Oct 02, 2008 06:18    Quote
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Josh Hartnett is a retard. People in Alaska are suppose to be tough. One of the Vampires was cross eyed. Hell, it took like 5 people to beat a 3yr old vampire! I agree 100%. 30 Days of Night is lame on any size screen. I wouldn't consider it overrated because most people I know think it sucks too.

Don't mean to be a 30 Days fanboy here, but I guess you missed the point. These are not polite, refined Bela Lugosi vampires. These are animals. They're dangerous and vicious, even the little ones, just like baby rattlesnakes. There was some inconsistency in the movie concerning their speed, but at the beginning they were also lightning fast and Superman strong. They could snatch you and drag you away before the guy next to you could even turn around. What exactly is it you wanted Hartnett to do, stand there and prove how tough Alaskans are by pointlessly firing his handgun into them while they ate him for dinner?

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The whole crux of the movie was that the townspeople had no effective defense against this particular style of vampire. Moreover, Hartnett thought of his job as protecting the citizens and keeping them alive, rather than abandoning them so he could run around in a loin cloth like fucking Rambo to please the ADD crowd. Now that would have been ridiculous. Smile

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P.S. bloodlust, I agree with you on all counts.

I'll say this loud and proud: 30 DAYS OF NIGHT SUCKED BALLS!!! No offense but how can anyone who calls themselves a horror fan say the Evil Dead 1 and 2 and NOTLD are over rated then turn around and stick up for 30 days of night a film that sucked balls both on it's own merits and as an adaption of a comic book. I know these are your opinions but I'm just dumb founded. Evil Dead 1 and 2?!? NOTLD?!? You have balls the size of grapefruits my friend.

Because the topic is overrated films and I never thought of 30 Days as being particularly highly rated. Get it now?

Dr_Menard_77

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Oct 02, 2008 12:49    Quote
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Josh Hartnett is a retard. People in Alaska are suppose to be tough. One of the Vampires was cross eyed. Hell, it took like 5 people to beat a 3yr old vampire! I agree 100%. 30 Days of Night is lame on any size screen. I wouldn't consider it overrated because most people I know think it sucks too.

Don't mean to be a 30 Days fanboy here, but I guess you missed the point. These are not polite, refined Bela Lugosi vampires. These are animals. They're dangerous and vicious, even the little ones, just like baby rattlesnakes. There was some inconsistency in the movie concerning their speed, but at the beginning they were also lightning fast and Superman strong. They could snatch you and drag you away before the guy next to you could even turn around. What exactly is it you wanted Hartnett to do, stand there and prove how tough Alaskans are by pointlessly firing his handgun into them while they ate him for dinner?

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The whole crux of the movie was that the townspeople had no effective defense against this particular style of vampire. Moreover, Hartnett thought of his job as protecting the citizens and keeping them alive, rather than abandoning them so he could run around in a loin cloth like fucking Rambo to please the ADD crowd. Now that would have been ridiculous. Smile

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P.S. bloodlust, I agree with you on all counts.

 

I'll say this loud and proud: 30 DAYS OF NIGHT SUCKED BALLS!!! No offense but how can anyone who calls themselves a horror fan say the Evil Dead 1 and 2 and NOTLD are over rated then turn around and stick up for 30 days of night a film that sucked balls both on it's own merits and as an adaption of a comic book. I know these are your opinions but I'm just dumb founded. Evil Dead 1 and 2?!? NOTLD?!? You have balls the size of grapefruits my friend.

Because the topic is overrated films and I never thought of 30 Days as being particularly highly rated. Get it now?

 

No I told you I was dumb founded. Do you get it now? Well enough of that shit a new movie to pick on: Hard Candy. That was complete shit disguised as a supposedly, hip and cool indy horror flick. What garbage. Oh yeah wasn't it directed by that no talent shit stain who helmed 30 days of night? I thought I smelled a stinker. And once again I will mention that steaming pile Scream. What a bad turning point for horror films.